June 07, 2005
All Hail the Genius from Massachussetts
WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences.

But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago.

So says the Boston Globe.Actually, Bush scored higher than Kerry at Yale. Interestingly...
The transcript shows that Kerry's freshman-year average was 71. He scored a 61 in geology, a 63 and 68 in two history classes, and a 69 in political science. His top score was a 79, in another political science course. Another of his strongest efforts, a 77, came in French class.
Got that? Kerry's lowest scores were in history, but one of his highest score was in French. See how it all makes sense now?

Update: The only reason this is news is because Democrats routinely pointed to Kerry's supposed intellectual superiority as one reason to vote for him. That Kerry refused to release his transcripts (which were only revealed in his Navy records that he finally released) indicates he was quite happy to allow that myth to continue.

Posted by Jonathan R. on June 7, 2005 10:30 AM


Comments

Well, if you're familiar with schools, you should know...

1) Grades can be affected by the difficulty of classes. It's possible (and probable) that Kerry took harder classes than Bush. Which is more credible...my A in wine tasting (a real class at my undergrad college) or your B in American History...?

2) Note that a professor who taught both Kerry and Bush has fond memories of Kerry and none of Bush. That means Kerry made a better impression...while Bush was probably hiding in the crowd.

3) The difference is 1 point, which is nothing in a score of 100 (76 vs. 77) Nothing to get excited about...

4) Also, just to correct this blog, Kerry's highest score his freshman year was in political science...not French (79 vs. 77)

I actually don't think grades matter to the effectiveness of presidency. And I don't see why Republicans are making such a big deal about this. It just shows how unfamiliar they are with schools...which is not a good image...

Posted by: qt [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 7, 2005 11:41 AM


OMG....we've been told for 6 years now that George W. Bush is a dunce. Now that there's definitive proof that Kerry is just as big a dunce, this is the response? Now.....NOW, it doesn't matter!?

Posted by: Todd L. Dietrich [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 7, 2005 12:11 PM


BTW, you might want to check with the talking points before commenting again.This article illustrates the point quite well:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37225-2004Aug26.html

Of note is this quote:

"Does anyone in America doubt that Kerry has a higher IQ than Bush? I'm sure the candidates' SATs and college transcripts would put Kerry far ahead."

Posted by: Todd L. Dietrich [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 7, 2005 12:21 PM


Well, no one has ever called Bush a "dunce" because of their opinion of his grades in college. It was because of his actions in office and his inability to speak. Therefore, this doesn't qualify as "proof," because it's not relevant.

Posted by: qt [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 7, 2005 12:40 PM


Bush may have been hiding in the crowd then, but who' still the Prez? ahhh thats right, good ol' George Dubwa.

ahahahaha

hey man, moveon.org, would you?

however, despite all of this bickering over grades is nothing more than childish nonesense, there is a deeper underlying moral to the story:

the more lies you tell, the more likely one of them will come back to haunt you.

Posted by: Hermit of Peru [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 7, 2005 01:53 PM


hey man, moveon.org, would you?

qt is one of our resident flakes who stumbles into the blog every once in a while, leaves a totally inane comment or two and heads for parts unknown again. It is clear that when qt was a child, she WAS left behind.

Posted by: Reverend Scaramonga [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 7, 2005 02:14 PM


"Well, if you're familiar with schools, you should know..."

Who said we aren unfamiliar with schools you petty stupid sack of crap? You?! LOL!

"1) Grades can be affected by the difficulty of classes."

Prove that this was the case, garbage head!

" It's possible "

Lot's of things are possible.

"(and probable)"

LOL! I say it was far from the case! Prove me wrong!

"that Kerry took harder classes than Bush."

One single shred of evidence, desperate fool?

"Which is more credible...my A in wine tasting (a real class at my undergrad college) or your B in American History...?"

Prove that Bush took "wine tasting" and Kerry was the only one to take "American History", retard.

"2) Note that a professor who taught both Kerry and Bush has fond memories of Kerry and none of Bush."

Or he could just be lying like you leftist losers are known to do.....often.

"That means Kerry made a better impression...while Bush was probably hiding in the crowd."

Kerry could have been the loud mouthed jerk and Bush the quite reserved type. Tell me how that has any bearing on their intellect, fool!

"3) The difference is 1 point, which is nothing in a score of 100 (76 vs. 77) Nothing to get excited about..."

It's still 1 point more than Kerry got :)

"4) Also, just to correct this blog, Kerry's highest score his freshman year was in political science...not French (79 vs. 77)"

Reading comprehension issues? Yes! :)

Here's the quote, troll.

"Kerry's lowest scores were in history, but one of his highest score was in French"

"ScoreS"? "one of"? Dunce.

"I actually don't think grades matter to the effectiveness of presidency."

Not now that your boy flipper is found to have come out on the short end of the stick. If it were the other way around, you'd be drooling all over this site about how much more clever the fence sitting traitor is than the President of the United States, and you know it.

"And I don't see why Republicans are making such a big deal about this."

Did you see that link to the WaPo story, fool? We weren't the first to make it an issue!

"It just shows how unfamiliar they are with schools..."

No it doesn't, retard. It just shows that we believe in turnabout as it is fair play! :)

"which is not a good image..."

In your opinion, lefitst loser.

"Well, no one has ever called Bush a "dunce because of their opinion of his grades in college."

No one?! :) Did you check that link to the WaPo story?

"It was because of his actions in office"

You mean how he runs circles around you losers? Being the petty children you are, of course you called him stupid for besting you.

"and his inability to speak."

What inability? I understand him.

"Therefore, this doesn't qualify as "proof," because it's not relevant. "

It qualifies as proof and you are irrelevant.

Posted by: The Valiant Elephant at June 7, 2005 03:28 PM


This post:

Well, no one has ever called Bush a "dunce" because of their opinion of his grades in college. It was because of his actions in office and his inability to speak. Therefore, this doesn't qualify as "proof," because it's not relevant.

Ironically was in response to this quote:

"Does anyone in America doubt that Kerry has a higher IQ than Bush? I'm sure the candidates' SATs and college transcripts would put Kerry far ahead."

Which is proof positive that the moonbats, apparently all collectively, failed Reading Comprehension 101.

Posted by: Todd L. Dietrich [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 7, 2005 03:39 PM


eh.

my take:

http://gullyborg.typepad.com/weblog_archive/2005/06/grades_what_gra.html

Posted by: Gullyborg [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 7, 2005 04:11 PM


qt:

Kerry had TWO poli-sci classes, and one of them was a 69.

He got a 77 in French, a language he claims to be fluent in, and after having spent all that time in the prep-schools in France.

Maybe professors remember Kerry and not Bush because Kerry was an outspoken critic of the Vietnam war, and Yale's professors were in lock-step with his way of thinking.

Yes, classes make a difference. But freshmen at Yale take core curriculum classes. Kerry and Bush were probably in many of the same classes. So what's your point?

Posted by: Gullyborg [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 7, 2005 04:15 PM


Scar, yes, you're right. I only get time for blogging occasionally. Can't do it all day...

Gullborg, to answer your last point, if you go to college, you'll find out that freshman don't have to take the same exact classes. There are core subjects that they have to hit. For example, a college will require a literature class, but it does not specify which literature class the student must take. So, classes will be different among students. One reason for this is differing abilities. For example, our college required a math class. But it couldn't force everyone to take calculus, because some had already passed that level...

Todd, my comment was in response to your first comment on this blog...which is why I used quotes, so you'd know which of your messages I was referring to.

Hermit, did Kerry ever say he got great grades at Yale? I don't remember that...Can you send me a link of the news story?

V. Elephant, did I strike a nerve? Maybe if you calm down, we can have an adult conversation. That's what they teach in college. :) You're right about one thing though...the correction I wrote about it my first post was corrected, so by the time you read the blog, it made no sense, because the author of this blog had already taken care of it.

All in all, it sounds like you guys know this story is irrelevant, but just wanted to gloat about something...it's just too bad it had to be this, but it means absolutely nothing to anyone!

Posted by: qt [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 8, 2005 11:18 AM


Haven't had enough, retard?

"if you go to college,"

Still under the assumption that you are the only one who has ever went to college? LOL!

"you'll find out that freshman don't have to take the same exact classes."

If you ever went to college, you would understand what "core requirements" are, you idiot.

"There are core subjects that they have to hit. "

Do you know what that means?

"For example, a college will require a literature class, but it does not specify which literature class the student must take."

Ever heard the word "prerequisite"?

"So, classes will be different among students. "

But you, loser jackass that you are, can't prove that even this bogus hypothetical is the case with John IgotDs Kerry. :)

"One reason for this is differing abilities."

Recently, when we matched "abilities" between Bush and Kerry, Bush won! :D

"For example, our college required a math class. But it couldn't force everyone to take calculus, because some had already passed that level..."

Did Flipper take "calculus", retard?

"Todd, my comment was in response to your first comment on this blog...which is why I used quotes, so you'd know which of your messages I was referring to. "

This means that "qt" will now simply ignore being proven a fool.

"Hermit, did Kerry ever say he got great grades at Yale?"

The WaPo said they'd be "better than Bush". They weren't.

"I don't remember that...Can you send me a link of the news story?"

Can you read the damned topic and click the link your lazy stupid self!?

"V. Elephant,"

Yes, Fool?

" did I strike a nerve?"

I have this thing against adamant ignorant leftists.

"Maybe if you calm down,"

I'm sittin' here sipping tea and commenting on your pathetic contributions.

"we can have an adult conversation."

For that, you'd have to suddenly become an adult. But I take it you feel no need to respond to being gutted. Typical leftist:
L "I'm right."
R "No you aren't see here" or in my case "No you aren't see here, a**hole"
L "When you learn how to talk to me, I'll respond." or any other opt-out inserted in it's place.

You are pathetic. You have been shown to be a fool, yet you persist.

"That's what they teach in college. :)"

Not my college. Maybe that's because I went there to learn skills rather than play stupid word games when I'm wrong.

"You're right about one thing though"

You wish it were only one, loser.

"...the correction I wrote about it my first post was corrected, so by the time you read the blog, it made no sense, because the author of this blog had already taken care of it."

You should have quoted it. You being right about anything is far too unlikely for me to take it for granted :)

"All in all, it sounds like you guys know this story is irrelevant,"

It's as irrelevant as it was when it was made into news stories to prove how dumb Bush was compared to Kerry. Now that it's the other way around, you losers call it "irrelevant". :) Hypocrite. Does history start when you wake up in the morning?

"but just wanted to gloat about something..."

Why not? When it was merely an assumption of superiority on Kerry's part, you jackasses were all about "gloating".

"it's just too bad it had to be this,"

We can and do gloat about all kinds of stuff. The difference is that when we gloat, it's because the facts prove us right.

"but it means absolutely nothing to anyone!"

Except you who fought so adamantly against basic fact. Rage! But when you do, rage against the loss of any more brain cells. It's your only hope.

Posted by: The Valiant Elephant [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 8, 2005 04:51 PM


Oooh! Such an angry man...It's actually quite entertaining...:)

Well, since you didn't actually make any arguments...(believe it or not, name calling doesn't qualify as an argument)...there's no need for a response.
Although...I'm still waiting for the link about Kerry saying he did better than Bush in college. The link provided has nothing to do with Kerry's words.

I'm off to make dinner...Have a good night!

Posted by: qt [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 8, 2005 05:58 PM


"Oooh! Such an angry man..."

Oooh! Such petulant littel fool!

"It's actually quite entertaining...:)"

Not half as entertaining as watching some dipsh*t try to convince themselves that they are the only one to attend college.

"Well, since you didn't actually make any arguments..."

None that you are willing to address it seems.

"(believe it or not, name calling doesn't qualify as an argument)"

Did it feel good to kick straw man?

"...there's no need for a response."

You'd have one hell of a time trying to salvage anything resembling dignity at this point, so I undestand your decision to run away.

"Although...I'm still waiting for the link about Kerry saying he did better than Bush in college. "

No one said there was a link to Kerry saying he did better than Bush, petty moron. What was pointed out to you was that it had previously been stated that Kerry did better in school than Bush. That has been proven false. And we showed you where that was said - WaPo. YOU decided that it had to be Kerry that said it. It doesn't. That was never the point. You love building and punishing straw men. Is it some sick obsession? No. It is a defense mechanism for being proven the fool you are.

"The link provided has nothing to do with Kerry's words."

Kerry's words have nothing to do with the fact that it was previously assumed that Kerry did better than Bush in school. That, as facts show, is not the case. :) Loser.

"I'm off to make dinner...Have a good night!"

Hope you choke. Go to hell :)

Posted by: The Valiant Elephant [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 8, 2005 06:50 PM