I notice that the poster is proudly proclaiming the debate to be a contentious one... as if that's a good thing.

This is nothing new... the left delights in both creating/promoting/encouraging contention and then blaming the right for creating it.

I'm not expert, but doesn't that picture look a little altered. To me it looks like the orginal picture showed the terrorist with three fingers up and it was photoshopped to look like a peace sign. If so, how disengenuise is that!

Wow!!! amazing how quickly people gather around to distort 1 womans message in an attempt to protect grown men who should be answering the questions themselves. She was fine when it was her alone but since she's gotten a following in a time when 60% of the american people feel it was a mistake to go to Iraq in the first place, the right calls her anti-semetic, crazy, terrorist supporter, liar, and someone that should leave the country. No one leaves their house when their is a problem you fix it anyway you can. Freedom of speech is protected in our constitution but apparently some people use that right to become apologists for their party.

"Wow!!! amazing how quickly people gather around to distort 1 womans message in an attempt to protect grown men who should be answering the questions themselves."

Distort her message? I quoted her VERBATIM. She said, "America is not worth dying for." Period.

"the right calls her anti-semetic,"

She called for Jews out of Palestine, an anti-Israeli statement.

"crazy, terrorist supporter,"

She calls a convicted terrorist "her Atticus Finch" and speaks at rallies sponsored by groups who advocate the violent overthrow of the U.S. government and hand out flyers asking whether we should support terrorists against our soldiers.

"liar,"

She made two completely different statements about her meeting with Bush in 2004. Was she lying then or is she lying now about how he conducted himself in that meeting?

"and someone that should leave the country. No one leaves their house when their is a problem you fix it anyway you can. "

I'm not saying she should leave for being opposed to the war, I'm making the statement that if she thinks America has been terrible since its inception (HER WORDS) then why would she WANT to stay here? It's not like she's making the argument that "her country" was once good and she wants to return to the "good ol' days"... she's saying it's always been a horrible country.

If "my house" had been a pile of garbage from the beginning of time and had never been a nice place to live, why would I want to continue living there and just bitching about it? I would move. She's not arguing that the house was nice once and got bad over time... at which point fixing it up would be the solution. She's saying it's always been aweful, so I would ask why the hell she stays.

"Freedom of speech is protected in our constitution but apparently some people use that right to become apologists for their party."

And some exploit it to tread on the honor of those who died to provide it to score political points.

1. Saying ,If the Jews leave palastine or what would have been the palastinian state it will reduce terror, is not being anti-semetic, it something about 70% of the israeli people are starting to realize.
2. Her version of the story is still her version..her meeting with Bush and her accounts make her a liar? What does pointing out the inconsistency mean? that she is going to lie about everything? what would that everything be exactly?
3. She is exploiting her sons death? Oh she's exploiting dead soldiers by wanting them to be brought home!! oh I see, that makes no sense, what political advantage is she going to gain? She's not a politician.
4. Anyone can pass out flyers at a rally and it doesnt reflect on the speakers. also, the "terrorist" lawyer you speak of is currently on appeal. Bush did business with ken lay and considered him a close friend...does that make him guilty by association? Bush spoke at a very racist Bob Jones University does that make him a racist?
5. If she feels that America is not worth dying for, thats her right to believe. What she meant or what she feels as a mother who lost a son, I will never know, but Iam sure it might be anger.

Btw her message isnt "america isnt worth dying for" its bring the troops home, not unlike all the senators want, before mid term elections take place.

Thank you for allowing me to give you my point of view, I'll have to take back all the bad things Iv said about this site after the two times I was blacklisted.lol. No hard feelings.

Her version of the story is still her version..her meeting with Bush and her accounts make her a liar?

Yes. She said in 2004 he was "sincere" and then said in 2005 he was "not sincere". Those two versions cannot co-exist, so one is false. Thus, a lie.

What does pointing out the inconsistency mean?

That she lied.

that she is going to lie about everything? what would that everything be exactly?

This is your own strawman creation. Who said "everything"?

She is exploiting her sons death? Oh she's exploiting dead soldiers by wanting them to be brought home!! oh I see, that makes no sense, what political advantage is she going to gain? She's not a politician.

She's exploiting it because she has an agenda and is using her son's corpse along with a P.R. firm to sell her radical cause. She's trying to gain points against the Republican President, most likely so she can gain a radical liberal to elected office so we can appease terrorists and pretend they don't want to kill us.

Anyone can pass out flyers at a rally and it doesnt reflect on the speakers.

and you call us apologists? did you SEE the flyer? Not just an "oops" moment.

also, the "terrorist" lawyer you speak of is currently on appeal.

and was also CONVICTED. What, are you gonna try to convince us convictions don't meet the whole "innocent until proven guilty" mantra?

Bush did business with ken lay and considered him a close friend...does that make him guilty by association?

If Bush spoke at a rally telling people to invest in Enron knowing they were cheating, sure.

Bush spoke at a very racist Bob Jones University does that make him a racist?

Did he advocate racism in his speech?

See, this isn't "guilt by association" we're dealing with on Cindy Sheehan. This is a woman who is SPOUTING ANTI-AMERICAN rhetoric to those who support the downfall of America and support terrorist activity.

If she feels that America is not worth dying for, thats her right to believe. What she meant or what she feels as a mother who lost a son, I will never know, but Iam sure it might be anger.

It would be one thing if she said it's not worth dying for because of the current administration or her opposition to the Iraq war. But she made the statement that it's not worth dying for because America was evil the moment the first settlers arrived and has always been evil since. Big difference.

"Btw her message isnt "america isnt worth dying for""

Oh really? Her exact words were: "America has been killing people on this continent since it was started. This country is not worth dying for."

Color me confused.

Chopping my replies to get more bang for your buck is a cheap way of debating. If I wrote 3 lines its because 3 lines are relevant to the argument. not 1. Thanks again Jason.

"Chopping my replies to get more bang for your buck is a cheap way of debating. If I wrote 3 lines its because 3 lines are relevant to the argument. not 1. Thanks again Jason."

Actually I was addressing each and every point you made. Thought I'd give you that courtesy. I could've easily jammed all my responses up into a long diatribe to confuse my points, but I leave that tactic to others.

But now I see that my responses to each and every point of yours (including the bogus ones), you're going to focus on form rather than substance.

I'll accept that as your gracious and humble acceptance of the validity of my points.

Good day.

Cindy Sheehan may think this country isn't worth dying for, but I have a story in blog about a real woman of strength. She lost her husband in Iraq, but she's not putting misplaced blame on the President. My brother put a photo of her husband along with other heroes that gave their lives in Iraq. The Soldiers wife found my brothers site and thanked him for including her husband in his article.